The online webcomic The Oatmeal recently featured a string of strips entitled, "How to Suck at Your Religion," two of which are excerpted below: Check out all the rest at The Oatmeal site or preorder a print copy of their latest book How to Tell if Your Cat Is Plotting to Kill You. Or that people are sometimes not following what their religion actually teaches? That, however, means caring, not killing. I don’t see how this can’t be good. Including the Oatmeal. Is a fertilized ovocyte life? No Comments on The Oatmeal’s thoughts on religion I am a Christian, so I have to acknowledge the irony in some of this, but the Oatmeal’s latest comic on religious extremism is a humourous and thought-provoking read, that is, assuming that you’re open to criticism and discussion (unlike the guy shouting “Jesus! Recently, he came out with the comic “How to suck at your religion,” which should delight Godless Liberals and Atheistic Deviants alike! There are people who avoid doing bad things on basis of their conscience or moral alone. Looking forward to your replies to my points. Okay, so in your opinion, it is not pointless. You might judge members of other religions for being a member of these religions (since you attempt to get people to convert to Christianity, it’s likely). No matter how often they heard “Homosexuality is a sin”, they still are homosexual. The only reason I could think of (if you’re a genuine Christian) is to make them happy. 6) *rolling eyes* Again, that is NOT his point. Also i think that you are making your own decisions. Because there seems to be plenty of judgement in this comic. If the benefits outweigh the risks, I am okay with stem cell research. It's funny you say "shove your own religion down their throat," because that's exactly what I told my mom she was doing, a long time ago, and why I was rejecting it. Okay, let’s try it, even though I know it’s pointless, but you asked for it: 1) Regarding Judging Don’t say “because I’m a human” – that’s a clear selfish conflict of interest. I think you should have the right to pursue your religion in your private space as long as you’d like. You’re indeed a fantastic writer. And I don’t want to hear a quote from a book. They are doing precisely what you say no-one does. 6) “Sexuality” Inspiration. Other Popular Things. Posted on January 17, 2015 by gerv. Adult stem cells come from, well, adults, and I’ve never heard of anyone who has any theological problem with them. It’s called “pluralism”. r/atheism: Welcome to r/atheism, the web's largest atheist forum. If it was pointless, people would not be doing it, right? People are just complicated chemical reactions and have no intrinsic value. Adam4d puts it well: No, I would not kill for Jesus. So is judging people wrong, then? I am tired of pointing out your misunderstandings…The list would for sure be longer than the 10 commandments. How to suck at your religion. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: But as I explained earlier, you claim too much “public” space (space that belongs to all religions) for your belief. 4) Judging do using https://edu-quotes.com/how-to-quote/quoting-a-poem/. I will absolutely get back for this article how I really Child abusers need to repent, and then turn themselves in. Should I not judge because a “silly web cartoonist” (his words) tells me not to? Calling something ‘crazy’ is not an argument. 5) Convincing others to join your religion. Response to The Oatmeal’s ‘How to suck at your religion ... have a worldview because of what was heard from an authority figure in exactly the same way that a person may follow a religion because of what was heard from an authority figure. Are *you* telling them they don’t have the means to find it out themselves? I dumpster dive for books! Read the asterisk sign that says “Just keep it to your fucking self”. So is he in favour of no parameters at all (permitting every vile act one could imagine – you know I could list all the usual things which every country makes illegal) or does he just want to impose different parameters to the ones Christianity does? If the benefits outweigh the risks, I am okay with stem cell research. There are two main types of stem cells – adult, and embryonic. So I just look out for myself and do what I like.” That seems entirely consistent with his beliefs. Or is the real view not so crazy after all? Jews often claim that God introduced oatmeal to the world, citing Deuteronomy 8:3 (New International Version), specifically, "manna which neither you nor … Also, you can’t have the truth, because I already have it!!! These people didn’t choose their orientation based on their belief. 1 OF 19. Thank you for covering such intriguing topics and doing it professionally. The number of people that potentially benefit from that is much higher than the number of people that suffer. The Oatmeal and Religion. 1) Judging other people By “double standards”, do you mean that some people say one thing and do another? However, the point of Christianity is not to “inspire people to help people” (although it does) or to make you happier (although it might) or to help you cope with the atheistic feeling of cosmic helplessness (although it does deal with it very effectively). However, there have been numerous examples of child abuse happening in the Catholic church. What about “hurt or hinder” which he also uses? There are 5 levels of awareness, according to http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/Rochat5levels.pdf. Perhaps I judge, too, but you “judge for the right reasons” as well, don’t you? If it’s pointless to convince others to join your religion, WHY THE HELL DO YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT? belief is wrong. A real treat for someone whose life is guided by the bible. View. Back. Or do you mean “no belief is false, except the belief that some beliefs are false”? Always, even when som1 tells you to do something. I’m sure the bug would say the same. RELIGION is devoted to the pursuit of individual style. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. It all comes down to your belief. 1 K 20 #23 fd3 * No me he enterao de ná. They believe God can be found in the middle of everyday life and human relationships, as much as during a meeting for worship. Now I get why everyone is so frustrated. DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Topics » Religion & Spirituality » Atheists & Agnostics (Group) » The Oatmeal on Religion Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:13 PM RussBLib (3,944 posts) Sons Benjamin, 21, and Joseph, 18, both have left for work. Where does Christianity say “all Christians will behave perfectly here on earth”? The only reason I could think of (if you’re a genuine Christian) is to make them happy. When you fear that I (or other people opposing you) have a point, you rather ignore it. 4) I am telling you, that *you* are wrong. Aug 14, 2013 - Explore Stephani Pena's board "The Oatmeal! Either he’s spectacularly arrogant, or (more likely) what he actually means by “you suck at your religion” is “you suck at _my_ religion, defined my way, on my terms”. This entry was posted on Monday, July 23rd, 2012 at 8:30 pm and posted in Failure, Fear, Quotes, Religion, Sex, Upbringing. His thoughts are based on philosophical principles (some of which I outlined before) , like “equal rights for everyone”. This is not how he meant it. Nevertheless, embroyos killed by embryonic stem cell research: thousands, or tens of thousands. The Oatmeal on religion Tweet This Topic : Page 1 of 3 [ 35 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Go to page 1, 2, 3 Next: Print view: Previous topic | Next topic : The Oatmeal on religion . Everything but the true God is an idol, a false god which will fail you. And that means respecting all religions. If you would, you suck at your religion, you know that. Perhaps next time, though, Inman could go a little harder on the Jews. Do you wait for god’s revenge? 5) “Stem cell research” It’s hard to refute a sneer. Thing is, you get the benefits, and someone else (the embroyo) carries the risks. Share & discuss your favorite strategy guide or build on our League of Legends Forum! Oh, and, read this about your religion. Browse online now. The point isn’t that judging is wrong. Faith does so i can say that: I have nothing against belief. Or is a bug’s life of less value than a microscopic ovocyte? Inman has also produced a series of Oatmeal books, featuring content from the webcomic as well as previously unpublished material, as well as related board games and other merchandise. That’s so awesome. Every belief is equally crazy. Now that we got this settled, get on par with me, will you? Unless you want to reach some rather nasty conclusions (well, I think they are nasty; you might be cool with them), you need to rethink your position on this. I believe in the end we will all benefit from it. And since you cannot tell me that the intentions of your god are the most positive of the world (after all these many difficulties), it would be best to refrain from religious extremism at all. This is a major defeat for the separation of church and state. I thought I was the only one. It’s God’s. These have never been “alive”, as in no newborn would’ve been the result of them. 7) Getting others to join your religion Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Oatmeal, which is essentially oats boiled in water, is high in soluble fiber and keeps you energized and full. (Incidentally, if you think Buddhists all leave people alone, read this and this.). OK. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. In the last panel, is he really asserting that anyone can make any old thing up, and the universe will bend to accommodate the wishes of the person concerned? GET RECIPE. Again, how do you know you’re not misunderstanding that guy above, or that he’s laughing his ass off at your stupidity. Regardless of Hitler's religion, the point of this comic still rings true: wars aren't fought in the name of atheism, mustaches, or math. That sounds very like you are judging me – the word “wrong” is pretty judgemental. So, at which point do we start being a person as opposed to being just a bunch of cells without an identity? See more ideas about funny, bones funny, make me laugh. If you are knocked out or anaesthetised, is it OK for me to then kill you, as you can’t feel or sense anything? Now, people with a more liberal mindset would simply not do that but accept the fact that people are happy with their religion. Change ). Not if they look through your other posts regarding this topic. Galileo was himself a member of the Church and was supported by the Pope (even after saying the earth revolved around the sun). 2017. His point is that you should not judge other religions based on what they believe. ( Log Out / When I am anesthetized, it’s not okay to take my life, since at some point before, I have been aware. Because The Oatmeal is now the authority on who is doing their religion right? Religion is devoted to the pursuit of individual style; lyrical quotes, musical muses and British heritage have always been heavy influences behind each collection. Oh, by the way: Who else mentioned that comic to you? 5) “Doctrine”. Biography. Sigh, It’s pointless arguing with you. Also, don’t imply I would be okay with the nasty results you mentioned. FREE UK DELIVERY OVER £150 Pin it! 3) Regarding dogma and “No one knows for sure” If you want to learn more about the backfire effect and other related behaviors (confirmation bias, deductive reasoning, etc), I highly recommend listening to the whole thing: Podcast Part 1 - Podcast Part 2 - Podcast Part 3 This comic was inspired by this three-part series on the backfire effect from the You Are Not So Smart Podcast. That’s not doctrine. (you can tell me where if you want). YMMV.). I think it’s necessary to judge people when it helps better the coexistence of multiple religions, cultures etc. Extreme example: I assume something about child abuse being sinful can be found in the bible, right? DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Topics » Religion & Spirituality » Atheists & Agnostics (Group) » The Oatmeal on Religion Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:13 PM RussBLib (3,944 posts) We are all speculating without evidence about what lies beyond this world… unless God has broken through and told us about it. Nov 29, 2015 - Explore Melody Hurwitz's board "The Oatmeal" on Pinterest. See more ideas about Make me laugh, Bones funny, Funny. Re-reading the comic, I believe what he means is “Religion can make you judge people (in a bad way) you would otherwise not judge that way”. Okay, re-thinking this I find that higher intelligence gives us the duty to care for the less intelligent and the disabled. Oatmeal and Religion A friend of mine sent me a link to a webcomic ( link ) discussing religion and such, and some of the arguments wandered into my sleep-deprived mind at 3AM. There are so many points in this comic you don’t want to get or deliberately misunderstand. You just don’t see it because when you do it, you’re doing it for the “right reasons”. In a manner of speaking you claim more religious space than you’re granted (and you might ask me “who granted me this space?”…it’s simple: Just take all religions in the Mozilla community, your space equals exactly 1 divided by the number of religions in the community. The church is not a collection of “good people”, it’s a collection of badly broken people; the difference is that they know they are broken and need God’s forgiveness. Required fields are marked *. Reading it was a pleasure. Okay, perhaps there are some people who think their religion is more important than their sexuality. But he also means double standards. Any sentence which uses the word “should” about something that other people should do is doctrine. Hitler's religion is apparently something that's still under debate, although evidence suggests that he was most likely all aboard the Jesus train. The point isn’t that judging is wrong. Wanna go ahead and continue the discussion now? The universe does not bend to another person’s wishes at all. I wonder if the Oatmeal had a kid, who was told “no-one really knows”, and who replied “well, I think God then decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, and I’m worried about your eternal soul”, he’d say “sure, sweetie”, or “NO. The Oatmeal nos trae su visión sobre el "Día de Colón", que se celebra el 14 de octubre en Estados Unidos. By contrast, despite lots of positive talk, they can’t figure out how to stop the embryonic ones giving you cancer. Cartoons suffer from the Twitter/Facebook effect – a humourous pithy short attack or condemnation of something is far more interesting and retweetable than any nuanced response to it. Hitler's religion is apparently something that's still under debate, although evidence suggests that he was most likely all aboard the Jesus train. (For me, those are generally policies which make the law conform more closely to God’s law. An active book discussion forum for both fiction and non-fiction books including forums for religion, philosophy, science, politics, current events and more. My mind rambled on and on between arguments, and every panel or image has (unsurprisingly) a legitimate point. Question is, who made you God? How do you know you didn’t misunderstand God? I am not saying that your (religious!) The trouble with arguing with him is that he’s a popular cartoonist, and I’m not. The speech is topnotch. Anyways, interesting discussion. Which is the most awesome thing in the world. How to suck at your religion. 2015-11-19 16:16:53 2015-11-19 16:16:53. Re-reading the comic, I believe what he means is “Religion can make you judge people (in a bad way) you would otherwise not judge that way”. If that’s where you go to learn about the Bible, no wonder you are so angry. BookTalk.org - View topic - The Oatmeal on religion I could not agree more with this comic. The entire point is we can’t and won’t; the only person who did was the Lord Jesus. My religion gives me no anxieties about my sexuality at all. It’s difficult to say when a person can be considered aware of its surroundings. que las religiones las carga el diablo. According to the Talmud, the manna fed the Israelites in the book of Exodus was divinely prepared oatmeal. Top Answer. The Oatmeal recently released a new comic titled How to suck at your religion. ( Log Out / 3) Stem cell research However, there have been numerous examples of child abuse happening in the Catholic church. How to suck at your religion - The Oatmeal. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. :-). Are *you* telling them they don’t have the means to find it out themselves? Adult stem cells. Forums Off Topic Interesting View on Religion (The Oatmeal) 150 posts - page 13 of 15. The claim reads: "Soluble fiber from oatmeal as part of a low saturated fat, low cholesterol diet, may reduce the risk of heart disease." You claim to have “the truth”, okay, whatever you say. How to suck at your religion - The Oatmeal. 0 K 9 #3--543135--That is gonna backfire > esov va a ser contraproducente . It’s your god that told people the earth is flat after all (or people understood it that way). Is this you giving an example of the double standards you were talking about? 17 18 19. The Oatmeal recently released a new comic titled How to suck at your religion. Do you believe people actively decide on their sexual orientation depending on what religion they belong to? Would you hurt or hinder in the names of religion? Humans are more valuable than bugs because of the amount of intelligence mixed with the fact that we are potentially capable of a lot of things. 7) You haven’t answered my question. Christianity is not utilitarian. If you want to learn more about the backfire effect and other related behaviors (confirmation bias, deductive reasoning, etc), I highly recommend listening to the whole thing: Podcast Part 1 - Podcast Part 2 - Podcast Part 3 Or refrain from certain practices based on that? How to suck at your religion - The Oatmeal Does quaker oatmeal relate to quaker the religion? How to suck at your religion - The Oatmeal. My reasons are that I think “religious freedom” is more important than “an individual’s personal religious views that he thinks are the best and everyone should follow them”. Interesting View on Religion (The Oatmeal) Creator: jhoijhoi November 12, 2012 6:31pm. (you can tell me where if you want). Still, Jesus had to endure being mocked, so that’s an OK risk to take. They just might not need someone else to tell them that, but are intelligent enough to figure it out on their own or have their own belief but come to the same conclusion. Jun 23, 2017 - Matthew Inman. English (US) Español; Français (France) 中文(简体) 2) Regarding judging That’d be quite mean, wouldn’t it? If it’s such crazy nonsense, why not illustrate using the version Christianity teaches, rather than a straw man? Aug 14, 2013 - Explore Stephani Pena's board "The Oatmeal! Besides: How do you define life? The point is to have a real relationship with your Creator – to know Christ. I am tired of pointing out your misunderstandings…. The Galileo affair was not the best moment in the life of the church. Awesome Human. You spend a lot of time telling me I’m wrong for someone who thinks that “no belief is false”. Which he has, in the person of Jesus Christ. Their life might must be hard. That’s OK… but then I’m sure you won’t mind me being tired of pointing out yours, and not replying substantively to any further comments from you on the subject. What he is really saying is “don’t use your doctrine, use mine”. That’s more along the lines of what I think. Which you don't, but when you discuss First Cause, you need to actually discuss what people say about it … « The Life and Times of Hunter S. Thompson Extreme example: I assume something about child abuse being sinful can be found in the bible, right? How does that work? In the 1850s, Ferdinand Schumacher and Robert Stuart founded oat mills. People helped: 0. ", followed by 180 people on Pinterest. Fortunately, the real and true “awesome shit” is available to everyone. Must-own menswear & womenswear designs from RELIGION. Thing is, which type of cells have been producing all the amazing treatments and treatment possibilities? Yes, it is. Just let people make up their own goddamn mind. Let’s just say that there are certain control mechanisms in place in societies. Regardless of Hitler's religion, the point of this comic still rings true: wars aren't fought in the name of atheism, mustaches, or math. A journey on the emotional rollercoaster of owning a fancy apple gadget. Inspiration from London’s east end and international street culture has been integral in shaping the brand’s much loved signature. What happens if you accidentally step on a bug? Discover women's styles including tops & t-shirts, dresses, denim, sweatshirts, hoodies & more with up to 50% OFF at RELIGION Outlet. It is 5 a.m. and I decided I’ll write this column while all is still quiet. The Oatmeal is awesome and you should go read his comic strip about How to Suck at your Religion. And judging about other people’s religions in the Mozilla community is wrong. The Oatmeal is generally one of the best things ever to come into existence. So translating someone in 3D space (from inside a womb to outside it) makes them a person? Inspiration. SCOTUS ruled in Espinoza v.Montana Department of Revenue that private religious schools can get tax-supported scholarships. But for a fertilized egg that never experienced anything, or at least not the world around it (as it’s not aware at all), what is there to lose? What it's like to own an Apple product - The Oatmeal. I’m a fan of The Oatmeal, with the odd reservation. 2) Regarding embryonic stem cells. I think a person starts being a person when he / she begins to gather a sense of identity. The Oatmeal is a webcomic and humor website created in 2009 by cartoonist Matthew Inman. I take it you think you are a person now; at what point did you become one? Morality can’t be hung from skyhooks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases, http://www.psychology.emory.edu/cognition/rochat/Rochat5levels.pdf, https://edu-quotes.com/how-to-quote/quoting-a-poem/. A guy recently became able to walk again after they injected stem cells from his nose into his spine. The Oatmeal recently released a new comic titled How to suck at your religion. He met with objections from the Church as well as from scientists because it was a disagreement of worldview, not religion. It is possible to harvest stem cells from unfertilized ovocytes according to the German wikipedia article about stem cell research. Help Support Our Growing Community. This entry was posted on Monday, July 23rd, 2012 at 8:30 pm and posted in Failure, Fear, Quotes, Religion, Sex, Upbringing. That’s a dangerous road to be on. But otherwise it’s just “my life is more important than the lives of others, which I am going to discount as unimportant to me”. So any research at all is fine as long as we gain knowledge? Of course, their analysis is terrible. Since it’s only god who has the last word here, what you’re doing is pointless. 3) Religions and bad things What he meant (and I believe this is clear to anyone but you) is that everyone has to find their own truth and be happy with that. Quaker Oatmeal To Go (re-branded from Breakfast Squares in 2006) Aunt Jemima Syrups and Mixes (Aunt Jemima frozen breakfast foods is owned by Pinnacle Foods, who use the Aunt Jemima trademark under license from Quaker Oats Company) Quaker Breakfast Cookies; Snacks. That sets us apart from animals (even from those who have a higher intelligence than we do). Way to go, Christian troll! People need to chill out and not force their religion onto others. Having experienced it, who would ever want to keep it to themselves? So, from a productive stand point, those people have more value as they care for more people. In 1877, the Quaker Mill Company of Ravenna, Ohio was founded. (THIS is an attempt at humour - Quaker religionists have no formal connection with Quaker Porridge Oats) I can live with that. It’s easy to mock the moral stance of others, but rather difficult (if your understanding of the world doesn’t include an omnipotent moral lawgiver) to figure out why the morality you are in favour of should apply to other people. This needs to be decided on a case-by-case basis. You can’t take that moral high ground; I guarantee you have your own ways of deciding what science experiments are great and what would be abhorrent to you. I may well suck at your religion. So if someone is born severely mentally and physically disabled, then their life could in principle be worth less than an animal’s, because they have less intelligence and less potential? 6) “Worth defined by intelligence and productivity” "Does religion help you, than carry on, etc" Religion doesnt help at all. How does moving someone from point A to point B make them a person? Also, Christians are (or should be) specifically encouraged to avoid groupthink – the idea that if lots of people believe something, it must be true. Leave a comment. And if so, apart from the detail of what’s in and what’s out (ahem), how is his principle of imposing laws regarding the expression of sexuality any different from the principle that he mocks? Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. God has called Christians to be a light in the world, proclaiming the truth so that people might be brought out of darkness into His wonderful light. At least not openly. The online webcomic The Oatmeal recently featured a string of strips entitled, "How to Suck at Your Religion," two of which are excerpted below: Check out all the rest at The Oatmeal site or preorder a print copy of their latest book How to Tell if Your Cat Is Plotting to Kill You. How to suck at your religion. Religious rules about sexuality are pointless. The number of people that potentially benefit from that is much higher than the number of people that suffer. 8) And proclaiming the light of the world includes Crusades and all the other cruelties that were committed by Christians during the centuries? Quakers integrate religion and everyday life. Oatmeal and other oat products were the subject of a 1997 ruling by the Food and Drug Administration that consuming oat bran or whole rolled oats can lower the risk of heart disease when combined with a low-fat diet via the effect of oat beta-glucan to reduce levels of blood cholesterol. My mind rambled on and on between arguments, and every panel or image has (unsurprisingly) a legitimate point. All topics related to atheism, agnosticism and secular living are welcome here. LoL forum thread "Interesting View on Religion (The Oatmeal)". w załączonym linku do Polityki Prywatności przypominamy podstawowe informacje z zakresu przetwarzania danych osobowych dostarczanych przez Ciebie podczas korzystania z naszego serwisu. A similar conclusion was reached in 2010 by the European Food Safety Authority. Doing research on unfertilized ova is not a problem. Anyway: Judging can alienate you from other people. And they have to live their life knowing they will never be allowed to live out their sexual dreams. Search Memberlist Stats Favorites Register Profile I’m a fan of The Oatmeal, with the odd reservation. So, people who have a higher intelligence are supposed to care for the welfare of those with lower capabilities (and such lower responsibility). The point is double standards that are put forward by religions. How to suck at your religion - The Oatmeal. And then, of course, you get accused of having no sense of humour. NO-ONE REALLY KNOWS FOR SURE AND THAT’S FINAL.” Given the rest of the comic’s antipathy towards Christianity…. Given the sinfulness of man, neither of these things is a particular surprise to someone with a Christian worldview. But if stem cell research is the only thing possible, we should use that. We celebrated 140-year anniversary in 2017. 4) “Sexuality” Internet Context, Natalism, and the Me Too Movement, Microtransactions, Speed Learning, and Absent-Mindedness, Nature Abhors a Vacuum: Population and Technology, The Good Old Days of the Internet (Circa 2010). Let me introduce you to some friends of mine. The Oatmeal is generally one of the best things ever to come into existence. Answer. But I would assume that a stem cell is not aware of its surroundings (after all, a stem cell has no way of knowing what’s around it). (Note for the hard of thinking: I am not claiming that all atheists are child abusers.).
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